Cannabis and acupuncture
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Hi,
I'm having acupuncture for several issues, mainly chronic fatigue and IBS. I've been getting kidney points, and then heart and liver points more recently. I'm also taking herbal medicine to complement the therapy. My question is: before starting the acupuncture I was using cannabis medically (live in Colorado) to help with the IBS and sleep issues (for which it was helping quite a bit, especially the first month). I stopped when I started the acupuncture because I wanted to see what acupuncture alone could do, and while it helped somewhat, my sleeping issues are still pretty prominent.
I feel a little uncomfortable talking about this with my acupuncturist since he's an older guy, but my main question is: is it possible that cannabis can interfere with the acupuncture therapy in a bad way (my acupuncturist often says that western medicine can interfere with acupuncture) or it's ok to use in addition to the therapy?
ive been reading that acupuncture among the other things is proven to stimulate the endocannabinoid system, which makes me think that cannabis could either work synergistically with acupuncture or kind of "clash" with it. Also I think. I read that Cannabis is included in the medical herbs of Chinese medicine but I'm not clear for what! and obviously being illegal in most places I can see why there's not a lot of info for its use with acupuncture.
if anybody could shed some light on the matter. I would be extremely grateful!
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comment by "ChadD" (acupuncturist)
on Feb 2014
"I feel a little uncomfortable talking about this with my acupuncturist since he's an older guy, but my main question is: is it possible that cannabis can interfere with the acupuncture therapy in a bad way (my acupuncturist often says that western medicine can interfere with acupuncture) or it's ok to use in addition to the therapy?"
You should always discuss everything relevant with your practitioner and this is certainly relevant. If you are interested in using herbal medicine with your treatment you should consult with an acupuncturist who also practices Chinese Herbal Medicine. There are numerous formulas that when properly diagnosed and prescribed can be extremely useful and have far more research and a track record behind them for the issues you have than cannabis.
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comment by "John_Scalice"
on Feb 2014
While cannibis is used in Chinese herbalism, I have only seen the seeds used and generally as part of a formula never alone. The method of ingestion was as a tea or decoction and never by smoking.
At any rate I would agree with Chad that is important to tell your acupuncturist about this if only so he doesn't misinterpret what he sees during his examination which might affect his treatment plan.
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comment by "Peteciomb"
on Feb 2014
I I ended up talking about with the acupuncturist and he gave me the green light, saying he doesn't see any reason why I shouldn't use it.
So I went back on it, but unfortunately it seems like the sleep issues I'm having now are resistant even to Cannabis, so I think I'm really shit out of luck...
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comment by "anon110966"
on Feb 2014
Hi,
accordingly to Giovanni Maciocia cannabis consumption will impair Zhi and therefore the Kidneys so I'd be careful with it and I'd talk with the acupuncturist about that
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comment by "ChadD" (acupuncturist)
on Feb 2014
This is meant in no way as a judgement against your current practitioner, but based on what you have written I would strongly suggest finding someone else. Insomnia and related issues are quite commonly treated and while full resolution can take weeks to months, noticeable progress should be within the first 3-7 treatments, particularly if herbal medicine is used. Ideally you will see a practitioner who can also work on your diet and lifestyle habits - both of which can be extremely helpful if modified correctly.
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comment by "Peteciomb"
on Feb 2014
I understand what you mean, but while everything is possible, I'm not sure it's the oractitioner's fault. I didn't write all the details, but I've already been doing diet, lifestyle changes, and he's been giving me herbal medicine the whole time. Not only he told me it's the first time someone is resistant to the treatment and herbal medicine, but I personally met some other patients that were swearing by his treatments and herbal medicine, and saying their sleep got so much better.
I also have a bit of a history with being an exception. Starting when I was a kid and had one of my canines being reabsorbed by my jaw bone (forgot the medical name of this condition) at such an early age that this phenomenon was not thought to be possible. I have psoriasis in a way that dermatologists say doesn't make sense (not because it's bad, it's pretty mild actually, but it's how I have it), and so on.
This is just to say, yes sleep problems are very common,and usually treated successfully. And yes most people think they are special and have unique problems. However among all these people there is always someone who actually is an exception, that's all I'm saying.
Ive been going since the beginning of January, so I will probably suspend therapy soon since clearly it's not 100% working (some things did improve, like the IBS, unfortunately the main ones, fatigue and sleep patter didn't) and possibly try something or someone else.
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